Kathy: How do you think that your skills and ability in handling business relationships have evolved over your career?
Todd: I think that from where I started to where I am now I have a better appreciation and understanding of my customers’ business. And I think that by that evolution I’m able to talk more of their talk, obviously bring more value because I do understand their business. And by virtue of bringing that value, I believe that creates a better relationship. There is trust, there’s experience, there’s information flow, all those things.
In turn, again, I think that understanding your customers’ business builds a whole foundation for a relationship and things go along with that.
Kathy: So is it just your maturity or your experience of understanding the business?
Todd: Understanding through time, their business, and all the intricacies of their business and what they believe is value, what their issues are as they go about their day-to-day. Of course understanding what we do for them and put it together. These processes build relationships that are pretty much invaluable as you get to the end of the day.
I really believe when it comes to selling and the art of building relationships some of this is just inherent. I think you either have it or you don’t. I don’t think there is an in between.
So yes, you can get a better foundation, a better baseline, but when it comes down to it, to answer your question—I had somebody to show me the door, but when the door was open I inherently knew the things necessary to take those relationships and build on them.
Kathy: Do you look for that in hiring?
Todd: We sure try.
Kathy: It’s easier to teach them product than it is to teach them inherent skills.
Todd: It really is. And unfortunately we’ve hired people and we’ve had to let people go, not because they are not good people, but because when what we are trying to do in the market somebody can be very technically based and understand products.
But when the day is done if they can’t make a connection with somebody and build on that, then it’s not going to work. So unfortunately we’ve hired and let people go simply because they got to a certain point where they had all the technical skills in the world but that inherent piece, relating to a customer, couldn’t be met.
Kathy: Do you think it can be taught?
Todd: I don’t think it can, I really don’t. Some people are better than others in terms of how well they are able to get in there and connect.
One of the conversations I had, Kathy, you know this, is we had a regional meeting a few months ago. We were talking about our staffing and the people. We really tried to assess our competitors. We know what we are about. We know the things we are doing. But we really tried to put our shoe on the other foot of our competitors and figure out what they do better.
One of the things that came up from one of our formidable competitors is that they are just “guys guys,” as we put it. They put a team together that people want to be around. This is the stuff we are talking about—the inherent ability that they hire the people who have the innate ability to get in and make things happen, to build relationships.
We have better technical people, I’m convinced. But at the end of the day a lot of our customers want to be around people they want to be around. I don’t think you can teach that, I think you know it.
Kathy: All the inside sales people that I’ve listened to, the relationships that they have with their customers, is amazing. How do you measure it? How do you know if they are developing good business relationships?
Todd: How I gauge it today is far different than how I used to gauge it. Today, as I look at it is, are we able to use this relationship to make money? Because their—our customers’—job, and I don’t begrudge anybody, everybody is doing the job. But their job is to buy the best they possibly can. Our job is to sell the highest price we possibly can.
Relationships give you the opportunity to negotiate or give you an opportunity to do the work. I’m gauging the relationship today as, ‘Can you do all that and at the end of the day you are making money?’
We want better relationships. We don’t have a training program for that because, again, it is right back to what I said. We know inherently people either have it or don’t. We put them in the position. We want them to get to know people. We want them to do the things that they are doing.
But our managers now are really trying to use relationships. At the end of the day, are we able to use those relationships to make money?
It is not any more or any less just trying to be equitable with our customers. We are just trying to find that equitable approach where we are both winning in that situation.
Kathy: What advice would you give people, be it in sales or finance or operations, who really want to develop their business relationship skills?
Todd: Unfortunately you tend to live in the snapshot of where you are today. Things are changing so fast that you can’t assume anything anymore.
You can’t assume you have the relationship. You can’t assume you have the share. You can’t assume that you are doing great on service.
Make sure you understand what is in front of you because in some cases we are assuming a lot of things out there that just aren’t the case. Again, the economy has forced people to really do things they wouldn’t even consider doing a year or two years ago. That’s the assumption piece I was talking about. We just can’t assume much.
But I still believe on the relationship side of things, that at the end of the day it’s still what is keeping us in the game.
Price is big, but that same survey I mentioned, price was 3rd out of whatever category. It was still about trust and still about the product, the value and then of course price was there. It’s not the end all be all. But I think relationships are still giving us that opportunity to succeed to the best of our ability in the market today.
In India, Wal-Mart Goes to the Farm
Despite the fact that government and its policy do not allow Wal-Mart Stores to sell directly to consumers. In the past two years, Wal-Mart establishes a good relationship with farmers in India, trying to open this market where modern stores make up just 5 percent of the country’s retail industry. Wal-Mart operates in India through a 50-50 joint venture with Bharti Enterprises. Their partnership, known as Bharti Wal-Mart, supplies retail stores that are fully owned by Bharti and runs a wholesale store that sells to shopkeepers, hotels and other businesses.
Wal-Mart has succeeded their relationship with the framer. Many farmers in India say they like working with the company. It typically pays them 5 to 7 percent more than they earn from local wholesale markets and they don’t have to worry about the transportation. Other farmer state that his yields have risen about 25 percent since he started following farming advice from the company and its partner, Bayer CropScience. And other said they trust Wal-Mart because Wal-Mart has been paying on time. We would just like them to buy more
Wal-Mart relationship with the farmer and supplier had set up its supply system in the India. It is the relationship that Wal-Mart trying to built with farmers and suppliers give them good supply and distribution center. Farmers are more willing to provide their product to Wal-Mart, because it is Wal-Mart that helps them to increase their margin.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/business/global/13walmart.html?pagewanted=1&sq&st=nyt&scp=2
Ralph Roberts is the President of Worthington Industries Integrated Building Systems.
He took a moment to talk with Kathy Hoyt and discuss the role of business relationships in his success and the success of Worthington Industries.
Kathy: How has your approach evolved throughout your career?
Ralph: I’ve seen the full spectrum from concentrating on personal relations to company centered Value Propositions.
In the economic down turn in the 80’s the personal relationships were being limited due to less money being spent on entertainment. The shift went to B2B relationships and became more professional.
Relationships are being replaced by associations and event shows instead of a high concentration on “entertainment”.
Today it’s about how your business value systems are similar to your customer’s business relationships value system so you can work together.
Kathy: Who helped you develop these skills?
Ralph: When I first started Worthington Industries 37 yrs. ago the company was small so I had access to the Executives. These Executives had a strong customer focus and I saw them dealing with customers on a daily basis.
The WI Philosophy was already in play and was being demonstrated in the contacts with customers. The philosophical needle was very important in all areas of the company and an esprit de core was developed and lived.
Kathy: How have the skilled contributed to your success?
Ralph: The skills applied to all aspects of the business. The philosophy was driven throughout the organization.
You got put into situations and had to deal with it. There were no training programs so you had to figure things out for yourself. Some survived and some didn’t.
The common values were the deciding factor. When faced with a tough decision, I did the following steps:
The Philosophy card “taught” you the skills you needed.
(Note: When Tom Peters interviewed John H. McConnell there were no written policies in place – only the Philosophy card!)
Kathy: Can you think of a time when the relationship saved the customer?
Ralph: The Tenneco Company had had a relationship with Worthington that wasn’t so good. When we called on the purchasing manager he said he would never to do business with us again.
After repeated calls over a period of two years, we were finally able to rebuild the relationship by showing them we could add value to their company. It turned out to be one of our largest contracts.
Allen Bradley was a targeted account for us and when first contacted, the said “no.” The account manager was instructed to call on them every 6 weeks, develop the relationship, show how WI could add value.
Our reasoning was eventually they will get in trouble and when they do, we will be there to help. It worked.
Kathy: How is business relationships managed as a core competency?
Ralph: Today the Philosophy is formally introduced in the orientation program and is reinforced through all facets of training and interactions.
Look at the card to make a decision. We also use the TIPS process we learned through S4 to improve our listening skills and really understand our customer’s needs.
In 2008, we started a “Transformation” that brought teams together to become more efficient. Customers are seeing improved quality, service and cost effective solutions.
When customers tour the plant, an operator is able to talk to the customer and tell them exactly what they are making for that customer. Customers feel good that WI is doing all it can to improve quality, service and cost.
Kathy: When did the relationship cause you to lose a sale?
Ralph: I had a great relationship with a customer and thought he would never take away his business but he told me that we weren’t competitive with our pricing. Just because you have a great relationship you have to remain competitive.
He gave all his business to a competitor! A good business relationship is good to have but not enough to keep the business.
Kathy: What advice would you give about building relationships?
Ralph:
Kathy: If you could give one piece of advice, what would it be?
Ralph: How well do you know your top 10 accounts? Not the statistics and number but what is their growth plan, fears, and can you help them meet their business goals.
Can they articulate how Worthington Industries is helping them? There should never be any surprises in working with one of your top 10 customers.
Kathy: How has the economy effective business relationship?
Ralph: There is now a new normal. Employees are being cut from the work force and organizations have to go deeper than they would like just to stay in business.
Trust gets hurt and will take a long time to recapture it. Some companies have had to cut the number of suppliers they are using just for economy of scale – even if it was a good relationship.
In some cases, some of the preferred suppliers have gone out of business forcing them to buy from a company they might not like.
Companies are worried about the financial stability of the suppliers even if the relationship is good.
These are very trying times but it will come back. As the market comes back WI will be well positioned because we have quality products, a quality company and financial stability.
Ralph Roberts has been with Worthington Industries for 37 years. He currently serves as President of Worthington Industries Integrated Building Systems.
He serves on the Boards for Worthington Armstrong Venture (WAVE), ThyssenKrupp Steel and Worthington Industries (TWB) and Spartan Steel Coating for Worthington Industries.
Ron Maciejowski is the Vice President of Sales for Worthington Industries. He sits on the board of all Worthington Industrial Joint Ventures and Recreation Unlimited.
Kathy Hoyt, a senior consultant with S4 Consulting, sat down with Ron recently. The interview is transcribed below.
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Kathy Hoyt: How has your approach to handling business relationships evolved throughout your professional career?
Ron Maciejowski: In the early days (1970's) there was more of the attitude that there was enough in a sale for everyone to be profitable. The pie was always growing and all parties could profit (our company, our supplier, our customer).
Today , many people think the pie is a set size which means you have to take the profitability out of someone else's pocket. To some extent that is true if we don't get back to growing our economy in the right way and making the pie bigger. This has put much stress on the customer/supplier relationship.
Kathy: Who helped you develop business relationship skills and how?
Ron: Mentors, the guys who brought me into the business. They showed me here's how we do it. You have to build the relationship to get close to the customer. You do that by:
Kathy: How has your attitude and/or skills contributed to personal or company's success?
Ron: I learned by example. If I made a mistake, I wasn't called on it openly in public. I learned to do the same things with my people. People are much more productive if not publicly reprimanded.
I also learned to listen to "the other side" of what was being said - try to understand both sides before jumping in.
Kathy: Can you recall a time when someone handled a relationship in such a way that it saved the sale?
Ron: Yes, there's been times when we walked out better than when we walked in. When there was a problem with a customer and it was our fault we would go in, accept responsibility, offer no excuses and get the problem fixed as soon as possible.
Other opportunities can evolve if you just admit it and fix it because if you can't fix it in a timely manner it will kill the relationship. As part of supply chain, we don't have total control over a situation but the main thing is don't make excuses - just fix it.
Kathy: Can you recall a time when the absence of a relationship has lost a sale or a customer?
Ron: We had a customer recently who didn't feel we thought he was important. A quote got to this customer which was completely inaccurate - way too high.
He assumed we didn't care about his business and we were just sending a quote to get it off our desk. We had been doing about 40% to 100% of his business and he pulled it all because we didn't appear to care enough about him. It certainly was not the case (many internal discussions about what went wrong) because it in fact was very important business to us.
We are working very hard to recapture our customers trust and confidence.
Kathy: What does Worthington Industries do make relationship management a core competency?
Ron: Everyone does it differently but our philosophy of treat the customer they way you want to be treated has always applied.
The philosophy is presented during orientation and reinforced. If someone doesn't buy into the philosophy, they usually don't last very long around here.
Kathy: How do you measure to see if business relationship management is working?
Ron: Amount of business from that customer, they tell us about opportunities for new business and if they come to us for solutions to help their business we know our relationship is solid.
Kathy: What advice do you have to give to people who want to develop skills in business relationship?
Ron: Listen to what the customer is saying. Everyone wants something from you. You just have to learn what the gap is (the difference between what they have and what they want) and then figure out what I can do to fill the gap.
Kathy: What one piece of advice would you give the people who are managing customer relationships?
Ron: Put yourself in the customer's shoes and treat him the way you would want to be treated.
Give the customer timely information, correct information and do what you say you are going to do.
Kathy: How do you think the economy has affected business relationships?
Ron: Everyone is fearful right now about their companies staying in business and their keeping a job.
People are more stressed and just want more time at home. The relationships today are on a more professional level than in the past. However, it is a mistake to assume that people don't buy on personal relationships.
That gets back to building trust, gaining confidence by doing what you say you will do and making the customer look good by providing excellent service and providing a high level of perceived value.
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Thanks, Ron!
Business Relationships Members, do you have any other questions for Ron or Kathy?
Ron Maciejowski began his career with Worthington Steel in 1972 and held various sales posiions until going into management in 1981. He has served as Vice President of Sales at Worthington Industries since 2008.
Consultant John Gentle has recently written in his Sage Advice column about the importance of trust in relationship management (www.logisticsmgmt.com). A fast reaction from some might be, "Well, duh, everybody knows that!"
But, as we survey the wreckage of failed business relationships that surround us, it's clear that everybody doesn't know that.
So, for those who get it, the trust observations are a useful reminder. For those who don't, maybe they present an opportunity for a wake-up call.
We continue to run into professionals who are committed to golf, drinks, and pole dancers as three keys to maintaining business relationships. C'mon, it's 2010, and we can do better. After the party's over, more and more supply chain players are figuring out that relationships are really about value and sustainability . . . and trust.
Anthony Iannarino is President and Chief Sales Officer for SOLUTIONS Staffing. He is a consultant with B2B Sales Coach and Consultancy, and teaches at Capital University.
Joe Sperry sat down with Anthony Iannarino last week to discuss how his handling of business relationships contributes to his success.
Joe: How has your approach to relationships in business contributed to your personal or your company's success?
Anthony: My personal approach to relationships in business is based upon the idea that creating value together requires a relationship based on trust.
Mutual trust allows us to share ideas and information that might not otherwise be shared to explore potential ideas that allow us to exploit opportunities together, to solve problems, and to share business metrics that help both our companies do better work together than we would otherwise.
For example, 30 days after we start a large staffing project for a call center, we will share our turnover data. Initially some of our clients don't want to share their internal hiring data, but eventually they see it's the best way to discover how we improve our results together. Sometimes we have lower turnover numbers, and we share our on-boarding process with the client to help them improve their own results.
It's not always easy to build this trust, and sometimes there are individuals within some companies who cling to the idea that vendors are disposable. But once they have a successful business relationship, they understand the great value that a trusted business partner can help create.
Joe: How has proactive relationship management impacted both your organization's top-line and bottom-line performance?
Anthony: We schedule quarterly business review meetings with our clients. In addition to being a differentiator, this proactive approach has allowed us to improve our top and bottom line by defining the relationship as something more than a "vendor" could offer. In many cases, this approach by itself has helped a number of clients to move to us exclusively. This, in my opinion, is the response to "act like a vendor, I'll treat you like a vendor." Because we take a serious interest in our performance and how it impacts our client's performance, we are treated as something more than a vendor.
Joe: Do you have any advice for beginning relationship or account managers?
Anthony: Create value before claiming it. Understand that trust takes time to build, and you have to walk the walk before that trust will be developed as much as it can be. Have a presence. Have a presence. Have a presence. Never hide from problems or challenges, even if it makes you uncomfortable.
Thanks, Anthony! Business Relationships Members, do you have any questions for Anthony? Leave a comment if you do!
Anthony Iannarino is the President and Chief Sales Officer for SOLUTIONS Staffing, a professional sales coach, and a consultant for a firm he started, B2B Sales Coach and Consultancy.
Mr. Iannarino is also Adjunct Faculty at Capital University, where he teaches Persuasive Marketing, Social Media Marketing, and Personal Selling in the School of Business.
Anthony Iannarino is President and Chief Sales Officer for SOLUTIONS Staffing. He is a consultant with B2B Sales Coach and Consultancy, and teaches at Capital University.
Joe Sperry sat down with Anthony Iannarino last week to discuss how his handling of business relationships contributes to his success.
Joe: How has your approach to relationships in business contributed to your personal or your company's success?
Anthony: My personal approach to relationships in business is based upon the idea that creating value together requires a relationship based on trust.
Mutual trust allows us to share ideas and information that might not otherwise be shared to explore potential ideas that allow us to exploit opportunities together, to solve problems, and to share business metrics that help both our companies do better work together than we would otherwise.
For example, 30 days after we start a large staffing project for a call center, we will share our turnover data. Initially some of our clients don't want to share their internal hiring data, but eventually they see it's the best way to discover how we improve our results together. Sometimes we have lower turnover numbers, and we share our on-boarding process with the client to help them improve their own results.
It's not always easy to build this trust, and sometimes there are individuals within some companies who cling to the idea that vendors are disposable. But once they have a successful business relationship, they understand the great value that a trusted business partner can help create.
Joe: How has proactive relationship management impacted both your organization's top-line and bottom-line performance?
Anthony: We schedule quarterly business review meetings with our clients. In addition to being a differentiator, this proactive approach has allowed us to improve our top and bottom line by defining the relationship as something more than a "vendor" could offer. In many cases, this approach by itself has helped a number of clients to move to us exclusively. This, in my opinion, is the response to "act like a vendor, I'll treat you like a vendor." Because we take a serious interest in our performance and how it impacts our client's performance, we are treated as something more than a vendor.
Joe: Do you have any advice for beginning relationship or account managers?
Anthony: Create value before claiming it. Understand that trust takes time to build, and you have to walk the walk before that trust will be developed as much as it can be. Have a presence. Have a presence. Have a presence. Never hide from problems or challenges, even if it makes you uncomfortable.
Thanks, Anthony! Business Relationships Members, do you have any questions for Anthony? Leave a comment if you do!
Anthony Iannarino is the President and Chief Sales Officer for SOLUTIONS Staffing, a professional sales coach, and a consultant for a firm he started, B2B Sales Coach and Consultancy.
Mr. Iannarino is also Adjunct Faculty at Capital University, where he teaches Persuasive Marketing, Social Media Marketing, and Personal Selling in the School of Business.
It might be difficult, the first time through, to get one's head around the notion that business relationships are assets. I believe that they are, and, when done right, are built on investments of time, money, and reputation. This is especially true in the host of relationships that makeup a functioning supply chain.
Our friend Wayne Bourne, in a recent Sage Advice column (www.logisticsmgmt.com), Rounding Third And Heading Toward Home, pointed out the stress that a difficult economy can put on working relationships. He suggested that supply chain partners who have learned how to weather the storm together will be strong partners when economic recovery is a reality. Wayne was dealing immediately with shipper/carrier linkages, but the core issues transcend specific supply chain roles. What he didn't say is what happens to partners who haven't kept their bonds strong during the tough times. Or to those who have abandoned underlying principles and values in order to take advantage of a partner's economic vulnerability.
He didn't have to. We can all probably figure out what happens to relationships that have become toxic. The only real questions are "When?" and "How hard?"
There are few options in dealing with toxic assets (relationships, in this case). Underperforming at best, and risk-the-business at worst, one could turn a blind eye to them, and let the bad apples poison the rest of the barrel. Or, the losers might be cut loose, resuming business as usual with the "A-Team" relationship partners.
My own inclination would be to perform a form of triage, focusing on, and investing in, rescue and recovery of those relationship assets that can deliver a reasonable "bang for the buck," and have promise for the long term. That might leave awkward questions of a degree of risk in allowing some relationships to recover - or not - on their own, and of figuring out how to proactively jettison those that might be beyond hope.
Realistically, it's easier to contemplate making those who have to go walk the plank when seas aren't quite so rough. At the moment, it's unlikely that many will cut precious revenue from the top line. So, we're back to "When?" and "How hard?"
What do you think? Are you ready to treat key supply chain relationships as assets? Can some assets become so toxic that dramatic action is the practical approach? What has worked - or not worked - for you?
I am amazed by the number of people who act as if they believe this….the fake smiles….the insincere comments….the lack of integrity. Yet, some seem to believe that this is the way to build relationships. Obviously, there are several problems with this approach.
First, they confuse personal relationships with business relationships. While having good personal relationships can be a very important part of a quality b2b relationship, it is only one part.
Second, they seem to think that people can’t see through them. In my experience, most people cannot be fooled for very long.
Good relationships are built on trust and reciprocity. If either party is insincere, it won’t be long before that insincerity will interfere with, if not destroy, the relationship.
My advice is to be yourself, be direct and be honest. If what you say doesn’t match what you do, you will lose their trust and undermine the entire relationship.
Artie Isaac, co-founder of the creative marketing strategy and advertising agency, Young Isaac, writes a funny and thought-provoking blog.
Recently he wrote a post on how to start blogging.
I thought it might be helpful for members who might be thinking about blogging but not sure where to begin.
I am only including a few of my favorites, so head over to Artie's blog to read the post in full. While you are there, read Artie's archived posts.
(Source: Artie Isaac and Speakersite)